Curse

Kakumei · Aug 25, 2006, 06:52 PM // 18:52

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Originally Posted by defrule

No it wasn't the fact that they were in a larger battle which got iQ the win. Both of EvIL's monks were robbed of energy.

Robbed? Yeah they were totally forced into being Mo/A.

Vermilion Okeanos · Aug 25, 2006, 06:53 PM // 18:53

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Originally Posted by Rogier

evil's build just wasn't good, assasins are good in ganking but not in larger fights.. and IQ knew Evil was weak in those larger battles, so they just used those NPC to their advantage and killed those of evil, just pure skill, not lame

Not only that, iQ also knew EvIL was too arrogant/stubborn to change their build.

fallot · Aug 25, 2006, 06:56 PM // 18:56

Honestly I was really surprised to see the same monks after the second match. EviL truly did not deserve to win.

defrule · Aug 25, 2006, 06:59 PM // 18:59

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Originally Posted by Kakumei

Robbed? Yeah they were totally forced into being Mo/A.

I'm talking about the ending kill of the Guild Lord.

Seltack · Aug 25, 2006, 07:07 PM // 19:07

Basically iQ used an E/mo with Meteor shower and glyph of sacrifice with some other AoE skills to destroy the NPCs at the stand.

iQ completely out thought EvIL. iQ used their VoD strat in the second match and EvIL's monks without real e-management weren't going to out heal iQs monks (especially when they have a smiter) in a VoD situation and they saw what sort of damage iQ could bring to the fray. So, you would think they might alter their build slightly, but by not doing so they fell for iQs plan completely and lost. Also, I think with constant moral boosts EvIL could have made more of an effort to DP out Saurus (or push in more aggressively) who they managed to kill, if they had got him to 60dp then the stand situation may have swung as it was extremely tight at VoD and having severely weakened characters on iQs side would have lost it.

JR · Aug 25, 2006, 07:09 PM // 19:09

iQ won. It is that simple. Whatever they did within the rules of the game to get there is beside the point. In ladder play you try to avoid playing gimmicks or "abusing cheap tactics" if you wish to put it that way, as they make you less strong and flexible as a player. In tournament play you do anything it takes.

Any further flaming or bashing of iQ will result in a thread lock. I will let this continue along the course of discussing the matches for now.

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Originally Posted by Mrscoombes

Could anyone please tell me what IQ's build was (without using a horrible amount of abbreviations) or give me a link of some sort of observer recording the match?

Or you could just go into observer mode, and watch it.

QoH · Aug 25, 2006, 07:12 PM // 19:12

Don't want to see this kinda boring matches? Don't limit morale at 10% in gvg. Problem Solved.

Congrats iQ

Prepare for a long boring final(especially if wm is involved)...

Illegrian · Aug 25, 2006, 07:20 PM // 19:20

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Originally Posted by Thaddeus Tael

I hope everyone agrees that EvIL going out of the Championship against iQ was totally unfair. The way that iQ played was disgusting, lacking skill and thought against one of the best guilds ever, it is quite frankly insulting to the Guild Wars community. Please post your thoughts on this issue.

This is Tommy here. I kind of had to edit this post, so sorry Ille, but I still <3 you. However, what Ille was trying to say was that lacking skill or playing "unfair" does not matter on a scale this large where the prize is a world championship and thousands of dollars in prize money. This isn't for honor, it's for CASH.

JiggyFly · Aug 25, 2006, 07:58 PM // 19:58

Well IQ won their second match against EvIL by turtling then facing off at the stand at 35 minutes, with more death penalty. Personally I thought it was smart of them to run the same build and play for VOD again, probably knowing that no serious changes would be made to EvIL's build (they took out their R/A from the seocnd match and added a E-denial Me/Mo with Martyr).

Sure the real action didn't start until 30 minutes, but ti wasn't like the match hit the 30 minute mark then iQ automatically won...there was still 11 minutes of fighting. It just so happened that iQ realized that without energy managment EvIL's monks could really only heal the constant beating their Guildlord was taking for so long.

I guess you could argue iQ played cheaply but 4 copies of Dark Escape and 2 copies of Distortion isn't exactly my idea non-gimmicky either. It really doesn't matter though, since all that matters is that the other teams Guildlord dies first.

Ensign · Aug 25, 2006, 08:03 PM // 20:03

EvIL brings a build that is designed to run the other team around in circles using six teleporting characters, but has terrible healing. Playing into your opponent's hands is retarded. They didn't want a slugfest, so we forced one down their throats.

If making your opponent play your game and exploiting the holes in their strategy to win makes me lacking in skill, I'll wear that badge with pride.

Peace,
-CxE

kvndoom · Aug 25, 2006, 08:23 PM // 20:23

COngrats to IQ. I love watching both guilds play,and yes someone had to win, so oh well.

Evil barely changed their tactics at all after losing the second game. They knew what was coming and did not adjust, and therefore lost again. Shame on who if they beat you twice the same way? They knew they'd be facing two blindbots, they knew one would nuke the NPC's at the end. It worked so well in the second game (and the 2nd game of the quarterfinals) why would they not run it again? But Evil didn't do anything to counter it, instead they continued to rely on melee for offense. IQ wasn't cheap; Evil was stubborn.

All the matches were excellent today. I was cheering out loud for Te, and they pulled it off. Argh, 5 N/Mo's spamming Aegis AND 2 Rits? It takes some serious heart to beat that with balanced, but they did it.

Can't wait for more action tomorrow!

Divineshadows · Aug 25, 2006, 08:32 PM // 20:32

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Originally Posted by Ensign

EvIL brings a build that is designed to run the other team around in circles using six teleporting characters, but has terrible healing.

How they love their assassins and monk/assassins...this love was their downfall.

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Originally Posted by Ensign

making your opponent play your game and exploiting the holes in their strategy to win

This is the definition of what one wants to do in any strategy game to win. Inflexibility gets punished in tournament scenarios. Congrats to iQ and good luck in the finals.

Thom Bangalter · Aug 25, 2006, 08:36 PM // 20:36

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Originally Posted by Ensign

EvIL brings a build that is designed to run the other team around in circles using six teleporting characters, but has terrible healing. Playing into your opponent's hands is retarded. They didn't want a slugfest, so we forced one down their throats.

If making your opponent play your game and exploiting the holes in their strategy to win makes me lacking in skill, I'll wear that badge with pride.

Peace,
-CxE

iQ is my new favorite guild. not to start a flamefest, but they way evil was playing was pretty scrub. Not playing the game their way is a pretty much auto win, and I guess this means the iQ memberslive up to their tag.

Divineshadows · Aug 25, 2006, 08:45 PM // 20:45

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Originally Posted by Thom Bangalter

iQ is my new favorite guild.

Was always my favorite...that was until I joined [Eat].

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Originally Posted by Thom Bangalter

but the way evil was playing was pretty scrub.

EvIL has always shown strong adaptability in tournament environments up until this point. I honestly expect this loss will further motivate them with a new tenacity in future seasons and tournaments.

EaT Macros · Aug 25, 2006, 09:15 PM // 21:15

I forgive iQ wasting 30 mins of my time seeing them camping at the GL from the start of the match, those last mins were brilliant, nice move!

I think iQ is the team that should have won since their tactics were obviously better in this semi-final.

Congrats on making it to the final, and good luck winning it ofcourse, you got my blessings:-)

Nadine · Aug 25, 2006, 09:38 PM // 21:38

Hmmm, I don't really think that iQ was any better. But they also knew it. No way to win EviL at the center, their movement is just so much better. So lets wait for VoD and force them to 8v8 at the stand.

But EviL made e huge misstake while they didnt alter their build (besides to r-->me). They cuold have chanced one of the mo/a's to normal boon and took one warrior for one sin. So it cuold have been won pretty easyle, but still they didn't even try...

blackbane · Aug 25, 2006, 09:44 PM // 21:44

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Originally Posted by QoH

Don't want to see this kinda boring matches? Don't limit morale at 10% in gvg. Problem Solved.

Congrats iQ

Prepare for a long boring final(especially if wm is involved)...

<3 WM <3

You can say all you want about how evil played, what happened, but hands down theyre the most impressive 8 people i have ever seen play guild wars.

Master Fuhon · Aug 25, 2006, 09:46 PM // 21:46

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Originally Posted by Thaddeus Tael

I hope everyone agrees that EvIL going out of the Championship against iQ was totally unfair.

Get used to the tactic of good teams manhandling NPCs in matches in which they would clearly be overpowered otherwise. EvIL has been doing in forever, and basically any build with assassins and teleporting is built on the concept of not fighting "straight up".

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Originally Posted by Thaddeus Tael

The way that iQ played was disgusting, lacking skill and thought against one of the best guilds ever, it is quite frankly insulting to the Guild Wars community.

EvIL has always been enjoyable to watch for the fact that they overpower teams with skilled play, realizing that offense wins more often than a team that stacks up on defense. They use strong individual builds and put themselves in position for key players to make "big plays". They also have exceptional aggressive play to make you pay for picking on their monks. This time, they let up when they had a team pressed against the ropes, and I'm sure it was because they were too overconfident in their ability to handle whatever iQ had prepared for Victory or Death.

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Originally Posted by Thaddeus Tael

Please post your thoughts on this issue.

I consider anything legitamate to win when spiking is on the table as a winnable tactic. Congrats to the players who win with balanced tactics instead of rock/paper/scissors to victory. But yeah, do what you got to do to win.

awesome sauce · Aug 25, 2006, 09:50 PM // 21:50

Considering that most gvg matches go into VoD, I would say that iQ was just more prepared for the inevitable. There were plenty of things that EvIL could have done in game 3 after seeing iQ's build. Bring a Rit for extra healing and damage, switch their monks' build, or... the biggest flaw I saw, simply be more aggressive in iQ's base. Honestly... when you have uncontested morale boosts and an enemy that's too afraid to come out of their base when you die, you have to do more than run in and attack once every five minutes. They could have easily pulled off some major damage to take out iQ's npcs and inflict a dp.

Clusmas · Aug 25, 2006, 10:01 PM // 22:01

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Originally Posted by Divineshadows

EvIL has always shown strong adaptability in tournament environments up until this point. I honestly expect this loss will further motivate them with a new tenacity in future seasons and tournaments.

If the game allows it, which with more skills and more classes, it probably won't.

This shows pretty clearly what a complete crap heap Factions is.

...and how awesome IQ are, of course. GG!